Meeting Details

Meeting Summary
Licensing Committee
23 Jul 2025 - 18:00 to 20:00
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Agenda

Part A
1 Welcome and Announcements
The Chairman will welcome members of the public and Councillors and remind everyone to use microphones at all times when they are speaking. The Chairman will also explain action in the event of an emergency, mobile phones switched to silent, audio-recording of the meeting. Councillors who are members of the committee will introduce themselves.
2 Substitutions
Councillors will be asked to say if they are attending on behalf of a Committee member who is absent.
3 Urgent Items
The Chair will announce if there is any item not on the published agenda which will be considered because it is urgent and will explain the reason for the urgency.
4 Declarations of Interest

Councillors will be asked to say if there are any items on the agenda about which they have a disclosable pecuniary interest which would prevent them from participating in any discussion of the item or participating in any vote upon the item, or any other registerable interest or non-registerable interest.

 

5 Minutes of Previous Meeting
The Councillors will be invited to confirm that the minutes of the meetings held on 21 May and 11 June 2025 are a correct record.
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RESOLVED that: the minutes of the meetings held on 21 May and 11 June 2025 were a correct record. 

 

 

6 Have Your Say! (Hybrid Council meetings)

Members of the public may make representations to the meeting.  This can be made either in person at the meeting or by joining the meeting remotely and addressing the Committee via Zoom. Each representation may be no longer than three minutes.  Members of the public wishing to address the Committee must register their wish to address the meeting by e-mailing democratic.services@colchester.gov.uk by 12.00 noon on the working day before the meeting date.  In addition, a written copy of the representation will need to be supplied.

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Sean Moore, who was a taxi driver licensed by the Council, attended the meeting and addressed the Committee pursuant to the provisions of Meetings General Procedure Rules 5 (1). He addressed the Committee in relation not the amended Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy which was before the Committee and asked questions and made a number of comments in relation to the draft Policy:

 

- Why had the frequency of the unmet demand survey been changed to 5 years from 3 years?

- Why was it being suggested that the requirement to undertake a ‘knowledge’ test for new drivers be removed for private hire drivers but not hackney carriage drivers?

- The provision of taxi marshals was not addressed in the draft Policy, was there a reason for this?

- He questioned the logic of the Policy stating that drivers could ask for money up front if the requested journey was out of town, but were still obliged to take the passenger if they refused to comply.

- He did not understand the requirement for high visibility jackets to be available for every person in a licenced vehicle.

- He considered there had been a drafting mistake in the Policy, as areas which applied to hackney carriages did not seem to apply to private hire vehicles, was this accurate?

 

Sarah White, Licensing Team Leader, responded to Mr Moore and asked that he send through a list of the detailed points that he had raised to enable Officers to respond fully to him. Additionally, he was asked to respond to the proposed consultation on the draft Policy to ensure that his opinions were included in the formal process. In terms of unmet demand surveys, best practice was that these were now conducted every 5 years. With regard to the knowledge test for licensed drivers, it was now best practice that this be removed for the drivers of private hire vehicles exclusively, however, the Council was not saying that this requirement would be removed, but was seeking views from the trade and public as part of the consultation. The Council did currently issue a dual driver’s licence and to remove the knowledge test requirement would require 2 separate licences to be issued. The Council’s experience was that the topographical text which all drivers currently had to pass was not preventing licences from being issued, and issues which applicants experienced with the process were more likely to be linked to areas such as Policy comprehension.

 

Mr Moore confirmed that he would email his full comments to Officers after the meeting, enabling a comprehensive response to be provided.

 

The Chair of the Committee reminded all those present that the Council always welcomed feedback from the trade.

 

 

The Committee will consider a report which provides it with information relevant to the installation of CCTV in Licensed vehicles. It details financial implications, licensing requirements as well as legal/information services recommendations.
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The Committee considered a report which provided it with information relevant to the installation of closed circuit television cameras (CCTV) in Licensed vehicles. It detailed financial implications, licensing requirements and legal/information services recommendations.

 

Paul Donaghy, Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager attended the meeting to present the report and assist the Committee with its enquiries. The report which was before the Committee contained a large amount of information regarding the installation of CCTV in licensed vehicles, and it was the recommendation of the Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager that the Council did not mandate the installation of CCTV in licensed vehicles. Instead, installation of CCTV should be encouraged to improve safety, and act as a deterrent to criminals. He considered that the Council should provide guidance to vehicle proprietors to encourage those who chose to fit CCTV to comply with the requirements of the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO). In accordance with the recommendations of the report, the Committee was asked to begin a period of public consultation, seeking views on whether or not the installation of CCTV in licensed vehicles should be mandated. An alternative option for the Committee would be to remove any mention of CCTV from the Council’s Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy altogether.

 

The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager advised the Committee that there were known issues associated with the mandating of CCTV installation, including the proportionality of the intrusion against individuals balanced against the low level of requirement indicated by crimes associated with licensed vehicles. Additionally, if CCTV was mandated, there would be a requirement on the Council to become the data controller for all recordings under the relevant regulations, and the financial burden and impact on staffing levels in the Licensing Team would be very significant. There was the danger that if CCTV was mandated, any proprietor who did not wish to install it would simply obtain a licence from another authority, and continue to operate locally. Neighbouring local authorities had been consulted with, including those with which the Council was likely to amalgamate in the near future under local government reorganisation proposals, and no other authority had mandated, or intended to mandate, the installation of CCTV in licensed vehicles.

 

It was well known that the Council was under an obligation to protect the travelling public by making certain, as far as possible, that all licensed drivers and proprietors met the requirements of the ‘fit and proper’ person test, from the time they were first licenced for the duration of their licence, and the Council was also required to consider statutory and best practice guidance.

 

The Committee heard that since the question of mandating CCTV in licensed vehicles had first been raised, there had been significant changes in the licensing regime with the implementation of the National Register of Taxi and Private Hire Licence Revocations and Refusals (NR3) system which allowed national licensing and enforcement checks to be carried out against licence holders who had fallen below the required standards. Central government had also introduced best practice guidance and recommendations and was working to implement national standards if possible.

 

The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager believed that a key consideration when discussing mandatory CCTV was the issue of who exercised overall control over the data (recorded images) which would be processed, and it was re-emphasised to the Committee that if CCTV was mandated in licenced vehicles, the Council would become the lawful data controller of all footage recorded in a licenced vehicle.

 

The advice of the Council’s Interim S151 Officer had been sought in relation to the cost implications of mandating the installation of CCTV and the financial implications for the Council. The Interim S151 Officer had advised that the Council needed to be mindful of all spending, and mitigate against potential overspends. Consequently, the Interim S151 Officer supported the report which recommended that the Council did not mandate CCTV within Hackney Carriages or Private Hire Vehicles, but instead encouraged use of CCTV as a way of improving safety and reducing crime for both drivers and the travelling public. Mandating CCTV installation in all licenced vehicles would cause both a one-off and ongoing financial burden to the Council. Detailed cost information was contained in the Officer’s report including initial purchase costs and ongoing maintenance costs, however, the Committee was asked to note that this information had been obtained some years ago, and the actual costs were likely to have risen significantly in recent years. The potential capitalisation of these costs has been considered but should not be pursued, meaning that the costs would remain as an ongoing revenue pressure. If the Council was to mandate the installation, the Council would need to purchase and install the cameras, and this could be treated as capital expenditure only if the Council retained ownership and control. However, such treatment would raise questions around; asset deployment, tracking and ownership (external audit would request evidence), system portability between vehicles, recovery of equipment when licenses lapsed, and was therefore not recommended.

 

Turning to the health, wellbeing and community safety implications, the Committee heard that the installation of CCTV in licensed vehicles, whether by encouragement or mandate, was likely to enhance the protection of drivers and the public. Drivers would be better protected against criminal activities and false allegations, thereby improving their working conditions, and reducing personal risk. CCTV would also assist in the investigation of complaints and may function as a deterrent to those wishing to use licensed vehicles in criminal activities. These benefits were, however, already in place for a number of drivers and their passengers, as some licensed vehicles have already chosen to install CCTV. Any further benefit was likely to be seen quicker if CCTV was not made mandatory, as the voluntary installation process would be much quicker and unaffected by devolution.

 

In considering the proposed introduction of CCTV in licensed vehicles, the Local Government Association (LGA) guidance stated:

 

“The law is clear that the use of CCTV and audio in taxis must be proportionate to the risk presented, and councils would need to set out a clear justification of why they believed there was a need for visual and audio recording if applicable. The main rationale for using audio recording in taxis/PHVs was that this would pick up any inappropriate conversations between passengers and drivers, for example when they are carrying children. Authorities would need to assess whether audio recording was necessary based on local circumstances and be able to justify this.”

 

Additionally, guidance provided by the ICO stated that:

 

“The public must have confidence that the use of surveillance systems was lawful, fair, transparent and met the other standards set in data protection law. The rights and freedoms of individuals could be greatly affected where decisions were made about them based on particularly intrusive means of processing personal data.”

 

The Committee heard that the Council was required to demonstrate that the implementation of any new monitoring system was designed with privacy in mind, and was proportionate to the risks which had been identified. This assessment should be evidence based and have regard to the number of offences and serious offences which had occurred. The numbers of offences would need to be sufficiently high to mandate CCTV in all vehicles. Although reports in the press and elsewhere of high-profile safeguarding cases in other areas of the Country had underlined the need for safeguarding issues to be addressed, the response of the Government and regulating advisory bodies had been to make a number of changes to guidance and statutory standards as detailed in the report. This had led to a significant improvement of the regulation of the trade since the Licensing Committee first considered the imposition of CCTV in licensed vehicles. The Government in seeking to address safeguarding challenges in relation to licensed vehicles had stopped short of mandating CCTV in licensed vehicles. The general position across the Country was therefore not considered sufficient to justify the mandatory imposition of CCTV.

 

To determine local risk crime figures, complaints and other information had been considered. The assessment of local risk was difficult as it was believed that crimes perpetrated on and by taxi drivers were under reported. It was also difficult to know how much of this crime would have been prevented by CCTV, and how much crime was prevented by the CCTV already in licensed vehicles.

 

The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager advised the Committee that when he had been challenged in Court by way of appeals against suspensions or revocations of a dual driver licence, every appeal had been won by the Council without the use of CCTV footage, and it was not considered that such footage would have been helpful in any of these cases. Even in other complaints where it was considered that CCTV footage could have been helpful, this footage would also have needed to have sound to provide context, and given that ICO guidance prohibited the recording of sound without the use of a panic button it was likely that sound would have been absent.

 

The Committee was advised that if, following the proposed consultation, it determined to recommend the mandatory installation of CCTV in licensed vehicles, the final decision on this recommendation would be taken by Full Council. Should the installation of CCTV in licensed vehicles be mandated, it was considered that given the expenditure involved, proprietors should be given a year to implement the new requirement, which would take the Council closer the proposed date for LGR, following which it was unclear how licensing functions would be delivered across Essex.

 

Councillor Law, Portfolio Holder for Communities and Public Protection, attended the meeting, and with the permission of the Chair, addressed the Committee. She was sensitive to the fact that there was a desire for progress to be made in relation to this issue. Although it was very important to prioritise the safety and welfare of licensed drivers and the travelling public, consideration also had to be given to the resourcing and data ownership issues which had been identified, and she considered that the issue of data ownership could present a significant burden to the Council. She supported a public consultation to seek the views of drivers, members of the public, nighttime workers and other stakeholders to seek views on whether, or not, CCTV installation should be mandated in licensed vehicles. The results of the consultation could then be presented to the Committee later in the year and would inform the future drafting of the Council’s Policy.

 

A Committee member welcomed the comprehensive report which had been presented, although considered that the installation of CCTV represented something of a ‘grey area’. Although it was possible to say that CCTV would offer some protection to drivers, it was difficult to say whether, or not, CCTV would stop assaults or would be primarily to provide evidence to support a prosecution, and it was also significant that very few other Council’s had mandated its installation. When considering the number of journeys which took place in licensed vehicles each day, the numbers of reported issues were very low, and the possibility that drivers who did not wish to operate with CCTV in their vehicles would simply licence elsewhere and still operate in Colchester needed to be considered, as this could simply negate the introduction of CCTV. It was also a significant concern that large sums of money could be spent on a mandatory CCTV scheme, only for local government reorganisation to lead to it being scrapped almost immediately.

 

In response to a question from the Committee, the Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager provided some detail in relation to the installation of CCTV which had been mandated by Southampton City Council in 2008. The cost of installing each system via the approved provider was at least £600 prior to VAT per vehicle, not including ongoing maintenance. Recorded footage was saved within a locked system in each vehicle which required the presence of 2 Council Officers to access in person via a dedicated computer system. The expert advice which had been offered by Colchester City Council’s IT Team had been that the only acceptable solution for Colchester would be a cloud-based system which allowed the greatest degree of safety and control over footage. The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager was aware that a Council which had determined to introduce mandatory CCTV in 2024 had now reversed this decision in light of concerns over data ownership, and a further Council which had mandated CCTV had now started a consultation to remove this requirement due to concerns about proprietors obtaining licences form elsewhere. The Committee heard that areas which had introduced mandatory CCTV had tended to be those in which there had been significant or specific types of crime, and when requested by the police.

 

A Committee member considered the proportionality of intrusive surveillance balanced against the low level of reported crimes which had been discussed, and wondered how the proposed encouraged installation of CCTV differed from mandating in this respect? He further considered that the imminent changes which would be brough about by LGR posed a risk if CCTV was to be mandated and then this requirement be immediately removed following LGR.

 

The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager confirmed that the difference between mandating CCTV and encouraging its installation was that if it had been mandated the Council would be open to challenge and would have to provide a justification of its policy through demonstrating that there was sufficient need. When the crime statistics were considered, it was likely that crimes related to licensed vehicles was under-reported, with many minor non-violent offences not being reported to the police by licensed drivers who may believe that no action would be taken. The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager believed that mandating CCTV would not change this position, as non-violent crimes would not be treated as a priority by the police. The Committee heard that the data which had been provided by Essex Police in relation to the number of crimes associated with licensed vehicles would have included any crime report which mentioned the word ‘taxi’, whether or not the crime had occurred in, or been associated with, a licensed vehicle. On this basis, it would not be possible to use the crime figures provided to justify the introduction of mandatory CCTV.

 

Sarah White, Licensing Team Leader, attended the meeting and responded to a question from the Committee. During the previous public consultation which had considered the imposition of mandatory CCTV 36 responses had been received, and the majority of these responses had not been in favour of the proposal. Concerns which had been raised by those who responded had included costs, privacy issues and the installation of panic buttons. Licensing Officers had recently met with several of the larger private hire operators in the area who had confirmed that they would only support the introduction of mandatory CCTV if they could become the data controller for the recorded footage, which was not possible.

 

Andrew Tyrrell, Head of Public Protection, attended the meeting and spoke in favour of carrying out a public consultation in relation to the issue. The results of this consultation would then be collated later in the year when the position with LGR would hopefully be clearer, allowing for an informed decision to be taken.

 

In response to questioning from the Committee, the Licensing Team Leader confirmed that the advice which had been received from the Council’s IT department had been that the only form of CCTV system which would be GDPR compliant was a cloud-based one. The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager confirmed that, whether or not the decision was taken to mandate the installation of CCTV cameras, he believed that the Council should provide advice on the use of CCTV in vehicles via its website for drivers and the travelling public. Any CCTV system which was installed into a vehicle would require expert installation

 

A member of the Committee recalled the initial discussion which had occurred in respect of the possibility of mandating the installation of CCTV in licensed vehicles, a number of years ago. He was a firm believer that CCTV in licensed vehicles should be mandatory on the basis that CCTV was prevalent in all forms of public transport such as busses and trains for the purpose of public protection. However, since the Council had first considered CCTV in licensed vehicles, the broader picture for local government had changed significantly. It was considered that the government was now moving towards implementing national licensing standards, which was to be welcomed, and which should receive the full support of the Council. It was also necessary to recognise that under LGR, licensing would likely become a function of the Mayoralty, and the approach which would be taken by the Mayor towards licensing was unknown. The report which had been presented to the Committee was of excellent quality, and explored areas in relation to CCTV and its implications which had not been suggested to the Committee before. The report had been so through that he was of a mind to support the recommendation which it contained to avoid the wasting of both public money and money of the trade. The best way forward would be to encourage, but not mandate, the installation of CCTV in licensed vehicles. In encouraging drivers to install CCTV it was essential that they were also made aware of the requirements of the ICO to ensure that they did not fall foul of data control regulations.

 

The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager confirmed that the Council had a duty to protect the public as well as providing a service to the licensed trade. It was necessary for advice to be offered in respect of data control regulations to all the proprietors who had installed, or would install, CCTV in their vehicles, and Officers would undertake to provide this advice.

 

In discussion the Committee recognised the uncertainty of the future and considered that it may be foolish to impose a new system which may end up being abandoned over the following year. The Committee discussed the possibility of running 2 public consultations simultaneously in respect of mandatory CCTV and the revised licensing policy which would be considered later in the meeting, and the Portfolio Holder for Communities and Public Protection considered that this would be helpful.

 

A member of the Committee suggested that as the Committee did not appear to be minded to recommend mandated CCTV there was little point in a public consultation, however, the motion was lost with the Committee considering that as much information as possible should be considered when making its final recommendation on the subject.

 

RESOLVED that:

 

- the installation of closed circuit television cameras in all licensed vehicles should be encouraged, but not mandated, as part of Colchester City Council’s Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy, and that;

- the above decision be the subject of a public consultation for the period of three months. 

 

 

The Committee will consider a report which seeks its approval of the proposed draft Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy to enable a formal consultation to begin.  The Committee will also be asked to agree the proposed consultation process.
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Sarah White, Licensing Team Leader, attended the meeting to present the report and assist the Committee with its enquiries. The Committee was asked to approve the proposed revised Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy (the Policy), for the purpose of consultation. The proposed Policy had been completely revised with the intention of promoting the safety of the public while making the Policy clearer and easier to understand. The entire Policy would be the subject of consultation, and the views of the licensed trade and other interested parties would be sought. Officers would like to include an additional matter in the proposed vehicle conditions, which was that a vehicle could not be licensed in more than 1 local authority area at the same time. A 3 month consultation period was proposed due to the large scale of the revisions which had been made. In a bid to maximise the number of responses which were received, Officers proposed to make use of the Council’s social media channels as well as the usual means of promoting the consultation.

 

A Committee member wondered whether the wording in the Policy could indicate that a licensing decision was made on the balance of probabilities test, which utilised the civil standard of proof.

 

The Licensing Team Leader was happy to accept the suggested amended wording, and provided some clarification to the Committee in relation to the suggestion that the topographical knowledge test be removed from the requirement to be a private hire driver. This suggestion was the result of a change in recommended best practice, and the views of the trade were simply sought in relation to this. If the Policy was amended to remove the knowledge test requirement for private hire drivers, then 2 separate licences would be issued. Anecdotal information from current licensed drivers suggested that the current dual driver’s licence was popular, as it allowed licensed drivers to work flexibly.

 

The Committee heard that the licensing policies of other local authorities in Essex were becoming closer in their content as best practice guides and statutory standards had been implemented in recent years.

 

RESOLVED that:

 

- The draft Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy be approved for the purposes of consultation.

 

 

The Committee will consider a report requesting that it review the caravan and campsite licensing processes and procedures reference document.
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Sarah White, Licensing Team Leader, attended the meeting to present the report and assist the Committee with its enquiries. The Committee was simply being asked to review and note the Caravan and Campsite Licensing Processes and Procedures Document and approve it for use, as no changes had been made in the document. In response to questioning from the Committee, the Licensing Team Leader confirmed that it was not possible to apply ‘fit and proper’ standards to the licensing of caravan sites as these licences essentially stemmed from planning permission. It was also not possible to take into account the conduct of licence holders once a licence had been granted.

 

RESOLVED that:

 

- the Caravan and Campsite Licensing Processes and Procedures Document be approved.

 

 

The Committee will consider a report which sets out its work programme for the current municipal year. 
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Matthew Evans, Democratic Services Officer, attended the meeting to present the report and assist the Committee with its enquiries.

 

RESOLVED that: the contents of the work programme be noted.

 

 

11 Exclusion of the Public (not Scrutiny or Executive)
In accordance with Section 100A(4) of the Local Government Act 1972 to exclude the public, including the press, from the meeting so that any items containing exempt information (for example confidential personal, financial or legal advice), in Part B of this agenda (printed on yellow paper) can be decided. (Exempt information is defined in Section 100I and Schedule 12A of the Local Government Act 1972).
Part B

Attendance

Attended - Other Members
Apologies
NameReason for Sending ApologySubstituted By
Councillor Elizabeth Alake-Akinyemi Councillor Lee Scordis
Councillor Jeremy Hagon  
Absent
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No absentee information has been recorded for the meeting.

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