Meeting Details

Meeting Summary
Licensing Committee
11 Jun 2025 - 18:00 to 20:00
Occurred
  • Documents
  • Attendance
  • Visitors
  • Declarations of Interests

Documents

Agenda

Part A
1 Welcome and Announcements
The Chairman will welcome members of the public and Councillors and remind everyone to use microphones at all times when they are speaking. The Chairman will also explain action in the event of an emergency, mobile phones switched to silent, audio-recording of the meeting. Councillors who are members of the committee will introduce themselves.
2 Substitutions
Councillors will be asked to say if they are attending on behalf of a Committee member who is absent.
3 Urgent Items
The Chair will announce if there is any item not on the published agenda which will be considered because it is urgent and will explain the reason for the urgency.
4 Declarations of Interest

Councillors will be asked to say if there are any items on the agenda about which they have a disclosable pecuniary interest which would prevent them from participating in any discussion of the item or participating in any vote upon the item, or any other registerable interest or non-registerable interest.

 

5 Minutes of Previous Meeting
The Councillors will be invited to confirm that the minutes of the meeting held on 19 March 2025 are a correct record.
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RESOLVED that: the minutes of the meeting of the Committee held on 19 March 2025 be confirmed as a correct record. 

 

 

6 Have Your Say! (Hybrid Council meetings)

Members of the public may make representations to the meeting.  This can be made either in person at the meeting or by joining the meeting remotely and addressing the Committee via Zoom. Each representation may be no longer than three minutes.  Members of the public wishing to address the Committee must register their wish to address the meeting by e-mailing democratic.services@colchester.gov.uk by 12.00 noon on the working day before the meeting date.  In addition, a written copy of the representation will need to be supplied.

This report seeks the Committee’s approval of the proposed draft Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy to enable the formal consultation to begin.  The Committee is also asked to agree the proposed consultation process.
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The Committee considered a report which sought its approval of the proposed draft Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy, to enable the formal public consultation to begin. The Committee was also asked to agree the proposed consultation process.

 

Sarah White, Licensing Team Leader, attended the meeting to present the report and assist the Committee with its enquiries. The approval of the Committee was sought for a period of public consultation to commence in relation to the proposed draft Policy which had been presented to it. A complete revision of the Policy had been carried out with the intention to focus on public safety whilst making the Policy clearer and easier to understand. The revised Policy took into account all current statutory guidance, best practice and the Institute of Licensing Suitability Guidance. Given the scale of the revisions, it was proposed that the entire Policy be subject to public consultation for a period of 3 months during which the views of the public, partners and the taxi trade would be welcomed. The Committee was advised that it was important that the Council did not view its licensing requirements in isolation, as there was already evidence of ‘licence shopping’, with an increasing number of vehicles operating across the city which were not licensed by the Council. ‘Licence shopping’ took place for a variety of reasons, but it was considered that the principle reasons were the cost and ease of obtaining licences, together with avoiding compliance with the Council’s licensing conditions.

 

The Chair of the Committee confirmed that he had been aware that it had been intended that a proposal be made to the Committee that the draft Policy be amended to make the installation of closed circuit television cameras (CCTV) in licensed vehicles mandatory. He did not, however, consider that this proposed Policy amendment was appropriate at this time, as the Committee required clarification in relation to whether mandating CCTV would mean that the Council became the data controller for all the footage recorded according to the Information Commissioners Office (ICO).

 

Paul Donaghy, Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager, attended the meeting and advised the Committee that a report containing detailed information in relation to CCTV had been prepared in March 2025 when it had been intended to bring the revised Policy before the Committee, however, as the draft revised Policy had not been considered by the Committee at that time, it had not yet seen the report. Acknowledging the point which had been made, the Chair indicated that he would welcome a debate on the proposed draft Policy at the meeting, before suggesting to the Committee that a final decision on whether to submit the revised Policy for public consultation be deferred until such time as the Committee was in receipt of more detailed information, including the cost implication of mandating CCTV in licensed vehicles and clarity on whether the Council or licensed drivers would be the data controllers of recorded footage in the opinion of the ICO.

 

Considering the Policy which had been presented to it, a Committee member welcomed the proposed requirement for drivers and vehicle licence holders to undertake daily maintenance checks of their vehicles and complete maintenance records. He further welcomed the proposal that operators and their staff would be required to be trained in disability awareness.

 

It appeared as though the Council’s proposed Penalty Points for driving offences would be in line with the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA)’s penalty points, with the exception of convictions for the use of a mobile phone whilst driving and drink or drug driving, what was the rationale for this difference?

 

The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager explained that the Institute of Licensing’s position was that certain offences were so serious and posed such a danger to public safety that they required further sanctions. Driving whilst using an electronic device, as well as the offences of speeding and the failure to use a seatbelt were major contributors to fatal road accidents, and a such convictions for these offences may also call into question whether a driver remained a ‘fit and proper’ person to continue to hold a licence issued by Colchester City Council. It was hoped that bringing the Council’s penalty points more in line with those issued by the DVLA would improve the clarity of the proposed Policy for all.

 

Officers were asked to clarify why the proposed Policy appeared to make it harder for the holders of European (EU) and non-European driver licences to obtain a licence issued by Colchester City Council. The Licensing Team Leader confirmed to the Committee that it was proposed that it would now be a requirement for applicants who had held an EU or non-Eu driving licence to have exchanged this for a United Kingdom (UK) driver licence prior to submitting an application. Views would be sought in relation to this proposal as part of the Policy consultation, as to whether it was too restrictive and would prevent new drivers from joining the taxi trade. It was, however, important for Officers to be able to monitor penalty points which had been applied to a driver licence, and this was only possible with DVLA licences.

 

In response to a question from the Committee, the Licensing Team Leader confirmed that an equality impact assessment was in place in relation to the Policy, however, the Council did not collect personal data of applicants or licence holders in relation to their nationality or ethnic background as such data was not relevant to the issuing of a licence and the Council would have no lawful purpose to collect this.

 

Noting references which the proposed Policy made to closed circuit television cameras (CCTV), the Committee sought clarification in relation to the number of licensed vehicles which were currently fitted with CCTV or a panic button.

 

The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager confirmed that currently no specific information was available as to the number of vehicles which had been fitted with CCTV as provision of CCTV was not a requirement and was not yet recommended under the Policy. From conversations with the Colchester Hackney Carriage Association, he believed that it would be reasonable to assume that approximately 80% of licensed vehicles had some form of CCTV device fitted. It was, however, important to note that the proprietor of any vehicle which had been fitted with CCTV was required to adhere to guidance issued by the ICO. Registration with the ICO was thought to be a short, 15 minute, process which cost approximately £47 if the applicant was an individual. The Committee heard that using fitted CCTV equipment to capture audio was not permitted unless under very specific circumstances, as a licensed vehicle was considered to be a private place when a customer was on board. If in the future the Council was responsible for CCTV in licenced vehicles, it would be obligated to carry out enforcement action in relation to this, which would in turn require a much larger team of Officers.

 

Clarifying the discussion, the Chair of the Committee explained that at the present time some licensed vehicles were fitted with cameras, and if the proposed Policy was implemented which informed proprietors that they needed to register with the ICO he considered that some proprietors may remove cameras altogether rather than go through this process. Details of the number of CCTV cameras fitted in licensed vehicles would not be known by the Council as the installation of CCTV was not currently mandatory.

 

A Committee member noted that it was a requirement for licensed vehicles to be equipped with the means to receive electronic payments unless an exemption had been granted, under what conditions would such an exemption be granted? The Licensing Team Leader confirmed that exemptions from the requirement to provide the means to accept electronic payments were in relation to executive hire vehicles where contracts were in existence, and vehicles which were used exclusively for school contract work.

 

Returning to the topic of CCTV in licensed vehicles, the Committee wondered what steps could be taken to make installing CCTV more attractive to proprietors in Colchester through providing clarity in relation to the costs associated with ICO registration for example? The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager advised the Committee that he believed that provision of CCTV in licensed vehicles was a good idea, and that he believed that this opinion was shared by all present at the meeting. In his professional experience, CCTV was often no more than an evidence gathering tool, and did not necessarily prevent crime from occurring. CCTV in licensed vehicles was potentially a significant intrusion into people’s privacy, and accordingly for the Council to mandate it, crime figures would need to be obtained to demonstrate that mandatory CCTV in licensed vehicles was both reasonable and proportionate, and figures which were specific to issues which actually occurred within licensed vehicles were very difficult to obtain due to the way in which crimes were reported and recorded. In terms of the requirement for vehicle proprietors to register with the ICO, the Council was obligated to provide information in relation to this responsibility as part of the Policy, if it was also recommending that CCTV be installed in licensed vehicles.

 

In discussion, the Committee noted that attacks on licensed drivers, although infrequent, did occur, and considered that the presence of CCTV in licensed vehicles would serve as some protection for drivers. It further noted that CCTV was present in many areas which were not associated with crime, such as the Town Hall, and that it was a normal requirement for individuals running a business to have to comply with varying regulatory requirements. The Committee was pleased to note that the proposed Policy was much more accessible than its previous versions, and the Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager confirmed that one of the principal priorities for Officers when drafting the document had been to shorten it, making it as easy as possible to interpret. The Council’s licensing website was also currently being completely redesigned to make finding information much simpler, although the Committee was reminded that it was the overriding responsibility of applicants and licence holders to make sure that they had read, and complied with the Council’s Policy.

 

A Committee member considered that the approach which had been suggested by the Chair in regard to the to the proposed Policy was a sensible one, and he would welcome more detail being provided to the Committee in the future in relation to the varying responsibilities and the implications for data controllers with the ICO. The Licensing, Community Safety and Safeguarding Manager reiterated that the Council did not know how many CCTV systems had been installed in licensed vehicles, however, any system which had been fitted would be the subject all the relevant regulations. He did not believe that any proprietors who had fitted CCTV in their vehicles would have deliberately failed to comply with ICO regulations such as registering as a data controller or displaying necessary signage in their vehicles, but it was important to ensure that they were aware of their responsibilities. A public consultation was already underway concerning whether or not Council’s licensing functions should rest with the Mayor’s Office following local government reorganisation, and it was hoped that this may prove to herald a move to nationally set standards for licensed drivers and vehicles, which would resolve the issues which were caused by the current position with cross-border hiring.

 

The Chair requested that the Committee considered deferring making a decision on whether or not to submit the proposed Policy for a period of public consultation until it had the opportunity to consider further information in relation to the costs of mandating CCTV in licensed vehicles, and the implications for the Council and vehicle proprietors in respect of becoming the data controller for footage which was recorded.

 

RESOLVED that: the decision on whether, or not, to submit the proposed Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy for public consultation be deferred until a future meeting of the Committee to enable more detailed information to be presented and considered.

 

 

The Committee will consider a report requesting that it approve its work programme for the forthcoming municipal year. 
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The Committee considered a report which requested that it consider and approve its work programme for the forthcoming municipal year.

 

A Committee member had been approached by a charitable association on Mersea Island in respect of the fees which were charged by the Council for licensed boatpersons. In the past it had been stated to the Committee that charitable organisations would be charged a single fee for up to 5 licences, but this practice had now ceased. Could the Committee revisit this issue and re-consider the Council’s Boatperson Policy.

 

Matthew Evans, Democratic Services Officer, advised the Committee that it was not a fee setting body for the Council, and as such was only able to consider the Council’s Policy and make any recommendations to the relevant Portfolio Holder.

 

RESOLVED that:

 

- The proposed work programme be approved, subject to items in respect of the proposed draft Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Licensing Policy and the Council’s Boatperson’s Policy being brought to its next meeting.

 

 

9 Exclusion of the Public (not Scrutiny or Executive)
In accordance with Section 100A(4) of the Local Government Act 1972 to exclude the public, including the press, from the meeting so that any items containing exempt information (for example confidential personal, financial or legal advice), in Part B of this agenda can be decided. (Exempt information is defined in Section 100I and Schedule 12A of the Local Government Act 1972).
Part B

Attendance

Attended - Other Members
Name
No other member attendance information has been recorded for the meeting.
Apologies
NameReason for Sending ApologySubstituted By
Councillor Roger Buston  
Councillor Paul Smith  
Absent
NameReason for AbsenceSubstituted By
No absentee information has been recorded for the meeting.

Declarations of Interests

Member NameItem Ref.DetailsNature of DeclarationAction
No declarations of interest have been entered for this meeting.

Visitors

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